Episode #56 - Cash Berzolla

Episode Transcript

Luc Moore (00:03.234)
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Welcome to the Wing Life podcast, where we talk about wing foiling and the lifestyles of those who enjoy this great sport. All right, Cash, thanks for joining me, brother. Thanks for having me. Yeah, it's good to be here. Yeah. So it's first time us meeting, but I've seen a couple rad moves, if we can use that, from you coming out lately, like how I want to go into like Punta Preta and stuff like that later. But,

for a lot of people, let's say Canada, US, even around the world that are just getting to know you. Like we were just talking about ice skating. Where were you born? Where'd you grow up? So I was born on Oahu, in Kailua, and I moved to Maui when I was about two. And yeah, been here ever since. sweet. What were your first memories and stuff of growing up on that island? I've been twice. It's so beautiful there.

It's a pretty amazing place. I'm very lucky to grow up here and some of my earliest memories, you know, always, we're always down at your cove. You know, I love to skim on my boogie board and actually watch Ridgeland. He was always down there skimming and he'd run out and, you know, he'd glide all the way out and I could get, you know, maybe 10 feet. He'd go out and hit the wave and come back in.

That was probably one of my younger memories. I was really into scootering and skateboarding. We were at the skate park a lot. And then I think, you know, it always ended in blood and tears. So I realized that I think the water sports might be a better alternative and switch to that. So a lot of skimming and like stand up boogie boarding actually. So yeah, those are the fondest memories. sweet. Sweet.

Luc Moore (01:55.118)
And when did you think, like, how was that progression? You just fell in love with it and it became life? Is that kind of how things happen over there? Yeah, you know, I think starting off skimming and just playing around the shore break got me comfortable and in the water, you know, we did a lot of surfing on the nose of my dad's board, just in small stuff. And then eventually I got my own little shore board and started messing around at Ho 'okipa.

you know, started doing some contests and that's kind of just how it, I guess, evolutionized for me. I don't know if that's the correct word there, but yeah, it just kind of took off and I started surfing and as I got a little bit older, I got into supping and down -winding and stuff like that. So, you know, part of the amazing part of Maui is there's just so much stuff you can do here in terms of water sports, kind of a mecca for, you know, doing anything you want, whether it's

windsport related or surfing related, you know, you have that option. So I was very lucky in that sense to hop on the water sports train again. yeah, for sure. Did you dabble into windsurfing, kiting, anything like that when you were younger? When I was younger, I didn't. I had no windsports until I think, you know, four years ago, I started winging and then I learned to kite. I've never I can't figure out windsurfing. You know, I'm trying to learn from a few of my buddies, but.

It's a slow process. It's hard man, like compared to the compared to kiting or even we can even talk about how you felt learning how to wing but Yeah, windsurfing windsurfing takes a while. What was it about winging that kind of drew you in as your first wind sport? You know, I I don't really know. I think it was my friend Marley Franco He was he is in the kiting and he was always winging or I guess he wasn't always when he was just getting in the winging and I

You know, he was kind of the only drama that I knew that was starting to do the sport. And I think he needed a buddy. So he took me under his wing and showed me the ropes a bit, but there was a lot of a walking up and down the beach. You know, I can say I've went and learned that Kana ha. Yeah. They lent me some gear that the Franco's so they thank you to them for, for getting me started and helping me walk the year up and down the compete. It's like, it's like a while.

Luc Moore (04:21.198)
but we eventually got there. So how, for those of us and those like individuals and people and stuff that are just learning how to wing, like how did you do it? Considering what level you're at now, where is it toe foiling behind a boat or do you just kind of run out there and connect the pieces on the water as you went? Yeah, I mean now there's so much stuff that you can do to learn that's super easy and the foils are amazing, they're super forgiving, but

I think when we were learning, it kind of threw us into the deep end. I guess it was pruning, like just coming from that surfing background, I felt comfortable to paddle on the waves. And yeah, we did a lot of Fahle Harbor missions to go and prone the whitewater on the inside and then eventually inside Ho 'keepa. But yeah, again, Marley was just, he was learning to prone as well. And...

He had some extra gear that I hopped on and started troning. And as I was kind of starting to throne, we jumped into winging as well. So it was kind of a mix between the two. But, you know, as of now, like if I were to teach someone, I think I'm going to try to teach my dad here, get him stoked on it. But I think behind, you know, a boat or like a ski is really helpful. I've seen some people put a bar out the side of a boat and, you know, they hold onto the bar.

And you know, you put a really big foil on and you go to all those measures to make it really easy. And it's, it's definitely the way to go. So if I were to recommend, you know, a way to learn, it would probably be behind a boat first, just to, just to feel out the foil. And then, you know, if you got a wing, then you just gotta, you gotta get on a board with a wing and start. What I found was that I would get some of my clients to kneel first, cause it was the easiest way for towing. So they would kneel and once they could stand, they can stand, but, that's pretty cool.

So started surfing then in that aspect of foiling and then connected the pieces. How did you find the evolution of, of you learning? That must've been like, I love learning a new sport. It's cause it takes over such a big part of your life. was it, was it different from surfing or is it just kind of an evolution of it? It was, you know, completely different from surfing for me. Cause you know, I think a lot of surfing is a lot of back foot and a lot of foiling is, you know, learning how to.

Luc Moore (06:46.702)
put pressure on your front foot so you don't over foil. And that was a big, big learning curve for me to understand that. And, you know, of course my, my teachers would tell me, you know, the, the Franco's would tell me that, you know, it's going to come up fast and you know, the foil pops up and I was like, yeah, you know, whatever. We'll Steve, let's go. And, you know, you paddle in your first wave and that thing shoots you up and you're like, okay, yeah, there he goes. I think me understanding just how.

how much lift that the foil creates was a big one for me. So once I figured that out, it was kind of a turning point and I was able to kind of, you know, go straight and then, you know, eventually kind of hang on the wave for a little bit. But in terms of winging, I think, you know, the landing curve was just trying to stay upwind. There was a lot of walking that involved, so it kind of motivated me to stay upwind. Like, I don't want to walk this beach again. And,

we eventually got there and you know, once you stay up wind once you're like, it's possible. So, yeah, it took a few sessions for sure. I think winging to stay up wind is probably three to five sessions for me before I was able to kind of stay up wind and get it going. But I think proning took a lot longer. You know, I'm still learning how to prone and yeah, there was a lot of crafting. Yeah, I can only imagine that.

Well, that's pretty cool. So how did it go from there to you like competing on tour? Like how, how was that kind of evolution? Is that something that you had always thought about doing or it came up naturally or? Yeah, no, I really never had any interest in competing for winging. I, I competed her, you know, the surf contest here on Maui and went to States and Nationals one year and just, I love to surf, but.

you know, I eventually kind of, you know, was over it and I stopped competing in, you know, the surfing area there, but I still love to surf and I try to pick my contest wisely, but I never really had the desire to go and...

Luc Moore (08:59.63)
Yeah, compete and winging until I saw, I think it was the first Cape Verde event that happened. And I saw guys winging in waves and I was like, you know what, I think, you know, we've been doing that forever and you know, just as good. So I think we could, we could hang in. So, yeah, that's kind of what inspired it. I guess that first Cape Verde event. cool, man. Nice. And then what we had second place, Cape Verde 2024.

We had third place for your GW Wing Fall and your third in the world, I think 2023. Yeah. At second at Cape Verde. I got a second place, I think in Brazil and a first at Dakla. Yeah, you won Dakla in 23. Okay. Yes. That was nice. That was what pushed me into third. I think I tied with Molo by 0 .02. I beat him. So.

no way. Yeah, it's not my best, but we'll take it. Hell, man, those are pretty good considering it wasn't even on your radar. Yeah. Obviously, we've seen foil slide videos. We've seen all these videos coming from even your super crazy awesome bottom turns and stuff that you're doing with your wing. Like, is that just something that you guys are practicing on Maui or because the earlier foils, obviously, this kind of stuff would be a disaster. But.

Like I was talking to Tom and we, we mentioned this because of this year's event where you, yeah, your huge foil, like slide across the lip and stuff. Can we go into that? Like how long did that take you to master the control of the foil to even think about doing something like that in such a critical wave? Yeah, you know, it definitely, it definitely didn't start there. That clip I gave her, I didn't start doing that, but, it would, it was a lot of, I think it actually started from.

over foiling, just trying to go fast and then over foiling and trying to save it actually. So it wasn't really on purpose. And then once I did it a few times, I was like, Hey, this is kind of fun. And you know, you go on flat water, you go really fast and then messed up basically and over foil. But if you were able to control it, you'd end up sliding a little bit. And I think after that, you know, a few times I thought, maybe we can just try to do this on purpose. And it worked on flat water and.

Luc Moore (11:26.702)
Yeah, we were just doing it a bunch just on flat water. And then eventually I think it came into our wave riding because, you know, coming from that surfing background, you're always trying to throw a spray on your turns and the foil, when you just regular carving, you're not throwing spray. So sliding was the alternative. So we started trying to do that. And it kind of actually tied into the lay down bottom turn, which...

also started on flat water and it was just to kind of, you know, improve your skills on a jibes. So it just started with jibes and then, started doing those on the waves. And as you kind of came out of it, it was almost like a top turn surfing. So then we, you know, just started doing it and it's really fun. You know, we, I tell everyone this when they ask the question and it's just fun, you know, we're just trying to have the most fun in the water and.

All the building kind of what we do. But yeah, the lay down the lay down bottom turn just from watching windsurfers, you know, if you ever come to Hokey Bar, I guess any wave spot in the world, you see the bottom turn that they do. And it's pretty similar to, you know, diving the wing and being able to see the section. So do you find it's easier for you to flip the wing that way so that like the leading edges face are sorry, the trailing edges facing forward or just pop the wing over your head?

when you're going into it or does that throw your body into a different position? Like just doing it regular is the easiest. You can always, you know, move your hand and flip it so the leading edge is in front of you. But when you bring it up, the wing isn't going to be how it was coming into the maneuver. Yeah, fair enough. I kind of want to just kind of want to keep it steady. All right. So you started off on tour. How...

Did you find getting your first sponsor and moving along that? Was that something that you had experienced in surfing before or like, cause Armstrong you're, you're with those guys. They're an amazing team. So how did that whole journey go? Yeah, it was, back to learning. I think I signed with Armstrong when I was really young and real, I was just starting off really, I was learning and I, I couldn't believe that, you know, I got a sponsor. I could.

Luc Moore (13:51.214)
barely jump around. And I think it was again back to Marley Franco and the Franco -Hana who got me into winging it. They knew a guy named Kevin Collins here on the North Shore that worked for Armstrong as a, I think he was a ribbuter and kind of just helping out. And he was looking for a rider. They called him, they were looking for a rider and the Franco's

let him know that I was getting into it and he came down and met me at the beach and yeah, the rest of the history I guess I find with them and got my first arm -fung setup. It was so much better than my, the setup I was learning on. So I think going from the really horrible setup that I was learning on to the arm -fung gear was crazy because it was just so much better. So my level kind of just skyrocketed in that sense. And,

Yeah, I just started writing for them and trying to get content. I met Slayer Naborski and we started shooting water stuff and, and, yeah, that's how I've been with them ever since. It's been crazy. I've never experienced anything like it in searching. I never really went out and looked for sponsors as much as I could have in surfing. And the ones that I got were not as, you know,

I didn't have as much of a personal relationship with them. Like Armstrong is, you know, as I'm sponsored by them and it's amazing to work for them. It's more of a family to me. And as you said, the team is just crazy. So I think everyone, a part of it is just, and so kind to me and yeah, it's just been an amazing experience. awesome. Yeah. I'm super happy for you for that. I met Armie at AWSI.

And just, yeah, he's such an awesome guy, such an awesome personality and Nathan and the other guys over there. So, and their gear is phenomenal. Like I started off on another brand and then I switched year number two, I think, cause my buddy was like, dude, you have to try Armstrong. And I'm still riding one of the original Armstrong. So yeah, it doesn't do some of the things as well, but still it's still an amazing wing. So what is your favorite?

Luc Moore (16:10.094)
Armstrong setup Mick, can we go into like what you started off with with them and then what you're writing now? Yeah, what I see I see if I can remember what I started off with that. I believe I had a 232 tail with a 1050 front wing and then the math was a 72 and I'm assuming the fuse, you know a 60. Okay.

I, yeah, I don't remember the board. I think I got a 27 liter board. I still have it. I prone on it now. I'm sick. It's amazing. I still love that thing, but, now you have the gamut of anything that you can pick from. it doesn't matter anymore, but, like, is there, how do you pick your gear for somebody getting into this? Like, do you pick it based on wind strength, wave size, conditions, all that kind of thing?

Do you enjoy a certain type of foil over another? Yeah, I try to keep my gear as, you know, close to the same, like as similar as I can. Just so I know if I change one little thing, I'll know what it's doing. For winging, I'm always on the MA's, you know, if it's lighter, maybe I'll go to an 800, but for the most part, I'm on the MA 625.

Also for winging I'm always on the 180 tail. I usually throw a red shim in there and I know it's, you know, a one degree different, but I like it. Yeah, that's cool. 60 fuse, I think works for everything. It's just a really good starting point. And yeah, it does it overall. You're not going to be displeased with a 60. And then mass wise, I write a pretty small mass. It's a 795. So it's a little bit bigger than the 72 that I started on.

but it is the performance one. So it's a little bit more efficient and I'm really liking it. And then board wise, just came out with the new FG boards. I think I'm on a 40 liter now. So I was on a 27. You know, I had some Christmases at the grandma's, so I had to go up to 40 liters, but yeah, that's the setup now. I think when I started the gear that I had, it was amazing. If I went back to that gear now, I think I'd be pretty baffled at how far it's gone.

Luc Moore (18:31.406)
come, but as I was writing for them, they kept coming out with new stuff and I would just kind of build off that. And I think a lot of it was front wing related. I was on the 232 forever, that tail. and they kept coming out new front wing. So I was on the 10, the 10 50. And then I think the CF range came out, which was considered to be more of a, beginner setup. I really loved their nine 50 that CF. I that's where I started doing the slide because there was.

bigger surface area and it was more turny so I loved it. I played around a lot with their HA's. I think I was on the HA525 forever. I loved it. It was so fast and maneuverable. A lot of us, good sessions at HoKiPA. That wing's pretty beat up. I think it's in the reef too many times. I don't know.

They just kept coming out with better and better stuff, so whenever they came out with something, send it over and I'd try it and be like, this is my new favorite, then I'd be the other one and get some next one, and that's kinda it. I've been on the MAs for a while now, whenever they came out I haven't gone back to anything else just because they're super efficient and they do everything I want them to do. In terms of proning and stuff, I usually would...

the tail and front wing. I think I go smaller tail down to the 140 and I use the HAs depending on how big or small the waves are. Easily between the 680, 580 and 780. So I've been loving those. So still pretty small. Yeah. And then for towing stuff, I'm still on the MAs. I think they're just super rippable and yeah, I enjoy them a lot. Maybe change out a master too.

And then now even for downwinding, it's downwind season here. But there's no wind today, which is a little weird. So we're not going to downwind today. But the DWPs came out and those are amazing. I've been riding the 680, which is fast and it has a really good low end still. So it kind of depends on what I'm doing. But for the most part, I think between the HA's and the MA's, I'm pretty set for whatever the conditions have in store.

Luc Moore (20:54.35)
And how much do you weigh for those people at home just to kind of give a... Obviously there's some skill, but weight rise. I think so in pounds I think I'm 140. Could be wrong, maybe 145. And then... Hey, do you think... Is that 67? Yeah, you're like mid 60s I think or low 60s. Okay, 65. Somewhere around somewhere in the 60s.

Maybe low 70s So there's like I'm 145 and pounds so there's 150 so there's no reason I can't ride the same gear that no reason. Yeah I'll step it up It's all preference I mean, you know, whatever works for you works and yeah I think that's why finally so amazing is there's so many different variations of gear that you could put together and it really is You know, whatever you like and I think if you try something for a week

straight, you'll be happy with it eventually. It's just because all the gear now is just so amazing. But it really is preference. So, yeah, I think I don't even know if it matters too, too much on brand. Like, obviously, a lot of gear has stepped up and brought it forward. Is there any kind of advice you would give somebody getting into wing foiling that why should they? Because this is your first wind sport. So.

If you're surfing, if you're snowboarding, if you're skiing, if you're doing whatever, why would they get into wing foiling? I think it open, it just opens up a lot of opportunities. Like you can kind of really, you can go anywhere on a wing if there's wind. And if it's, if it's nuking and it's bad to surf, you know, and you want to get in the water, you just go wing, you know, you don't have, you don't have lines for your kite to roll out. You just kind of.

throw out the kite and pump it up and get on your foil setup. So I think there's a lot of opportunity in that, you know, bring in a front wing, a tail and a map then fuselage on a surf trip never hurt. You know, 80 % of the time you got a surf trip and the waves are, you know, not firing the whole time. So the days that it's bad, you go foil. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Stepping into...

Luc Moore (23:17.39)
Do you put a lot of mental prep or what kind of physical prep do you do for competition now? Because you're like in the, the top ranks. Is there anything that you do special that, that you'd like to do for a contest? Yeah, I mean, of course, yeah, you gotta work out and, you know, stay in shape, but I think getting in the water almost every day for me is probably the biggest thing, you know, even if it's just going for a swim. just.

Yeah, the main thing is staying in shape and eating healthy. I think that's a big one. And in terms of mental stuff, you know, I don't really know. I just try to, you know, stay happy and be in the moment. I like to listen to music, but yeah, I'm not really sure how to be mentally prepared for anything. You know, you can be as prepared as you can, but I think it really comes down to how much time you've

you've put on the gear and, and then the water. So. Okay. Practices practice makes perfect there. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. And then any kind of injuries and stuff that you've had to overcome, Frank was asking that at home. Cause he saw your latest Fiji clip and stuff. And he was like, first thing that came to mind was fear. And then second thing that came to mind was, Hey, has he been hurt? Has he over like, have you had to deal with any of that kind of aspect of stuff yet? Yeah, I think,

Especially coming into foiling, I learned it, I was super scared. I was like, I really do not want to hit the foil and it looks scary. And I think, you know, as long as you learn to fall correctly, you're good for the most part. But so far I've had no real bad injuries, you know, knock on wood, but a few scratches here and there and the foils can get super sharp. I think, you know, we've been downwind a few times and

Just you know, you nick the foil with your foot and you get a little bit of a slice, but yeah, nothing too serious. I always wear a helmet. So that's the big one for me. But yeah, it's, yeah, nothing serious. Just time on water. Yeah, and that's good though. Like I don't think I've, I haven't had anything serious. Nobody that I really know has had anything too serious, but it is definitely.

Luc Moore (25:38.798)
Similar to like skating, when you're falling off that board, you just can't kick it or you can't do anything crazy because it's going to flip up. But that clip about Fiji, when you were jumping those boats and stuff, Frank was asking what your best trick was for jumping high. Because he's using surf rap right now and he's trying to like get as high as he can. So for those people going for a little bit of pop, what do you think? You know, I think in terms of pop,

You're gonna want the right foil. I don't know what that foil is. For the arm -foiling stuff, I love the MA's, but I think it's just, again, practice. If you wanna learn to jump, I wouldn't just go straight into jumping a boat, of course. But a lot of it is, it's similar to kiting. You wanna really hunt up into the wind and make sure you're sheeted in and really lit going into it.

You know, of course, bend your knees like any sport. You got to be low and kind of explode out of that jump. But there's I'm sure there's, you know, tons of videos to watch that will show you how to jump and get a little bit higher. But, you know, of course, a little bit more wind help bigger wing. But a lot of it is just speed. Yeah, you need speed to get high. So speed and ramp. You know, if you hit a if you hit a wave, you know, there you go, you're going to be four feet up.

Yeah, okay Is it just fun that keeps driving your progression? like what what drives your progression forward and to either come out with new moves or that kind of thing yeah, you know, it's a good question because I just love it and I love the community that Associated with oiling and you know all the types of foiling. It's just such an amazing crew and You know water sports in general has been Amazing, you know and kind of been my whole life

you know, since I could ever remember and, you know, what's driving me, I, I don't know. It's just love it. So, and yeah, that's fair. I think all of us that are in it understand that. and yeah, it's just a love and passion for it. And it's just something that we would rather do that than something else. So yeah, that's pretty cool. What, what events are you thinking about going to this year on GWA?

Luc Moore (28:02.574)
I'm just doing the wave stuff this year. The next one is Dakla and then they finish in Brazil again. So those are the next two. I think I'm gonna try to do some downwind races this year. It is the season, like I said, and I think July is the big month we do. There's a few channel crossings and races that occur here in Hawaii, so we're looking forward to that. But yeah, that's...

That's about it. Do you have any so far like you've been able to travel the world a little bit with this? How's that been kind of seeing different places and getting off the island? It's been crazy. You know, I always tell myself that, you know, after traveling, I don't realize how amazing Maui is and how lucky I have been to grow up here. But I think I only realized that once I left and then came home and then I realized, but,

Yeah, Dan, I wasn't expecting to compete, let alone travel the world and Armstrong's giving me that opportunity. So, you know, big thank you to them. But yeah, it's been an incredible journey and seen some amazing things that I would never have seen otherwise. So, yeah, very grateful for that. Yeah, I don't doubt any. What's your top favorite wing foiling spot so far? you know, I think.

It would have been this most recent one in Cape Verde just because that wave is insane. You know, whether you're foiling it, hiding it or surfing it, the froth is definitely there. It was probably the most insane wave I think I've ever seen just to, you know, even surf. I was there with Finn Spencer, who is my buddy here on Maui, and we were just mind -blown. And all we wanted to do was, you know, go surf when there was no wind. And then when there was wind, we were frothing out, it was just waning. So.

Definitely, definitely Kate Verde. That's a pretty crazy wave, eh? Yeah, with the prettos is, it's not. So what does nuts mean for somebody who grew up in, in Hawaii? Like, cause my neighbor windsurfed at a couple other spots over there and he's a pretty good sailor. And even then he was like, this is an extremely, extremely advanced wave. Yeah, it's just crazy. You know, it's a perfect right -hander for.

Luc Moore (30:27.63)
surfing cars or foiling cars or kite carves, you know, every now and then the thing barrels. And, you know, it goes for, I don't know, 100 yards, 200 yards, 150 yards. So it's pretty long. But, you know, it is right on the rock. So there is a there is a element of danger there. It's not not too kind to the soil. If you mess up, it's kind of a, you know.

You got to wing in and foil it with care. How was that contest for you? It was great. You know, I got second and, you know, more other than placing, I was just, you know, happy to be there again. And it was, we got so lucky with the conditions, you know, we had plenty of wind and, and the waves were just absolutely pumping. So can't, can't, couldn't have asked for much more. And you're, you, let's talk about that, infamous kind of wing drop that you did.

getting trying to get a little barreled. What were you thinking? You know, back to Finn Spencer, I think we went against each other in the semis and we're like, okay, whoever wins this, you're going to the final. You have to get barreled at least once. So unfortunately I took him out and I was in the finals. So I had to keep my promise. And, you know, I don't know if we consider that a barrel, but the effort was definitely there. We were just trying, we were trying to have fun and it was at the end of the heat.

Anyway, yeah, I don't know. It just, it felt right. Nice. So what's next for you? Like, what are you, is there any projects that you're working on or then what kind of your next latest kind of moves that you're working on? You know, there's, you're always trying to innovate in terms of, of tricks and stuff, but my focus right now is mainly downwind stuff, just getting, you know, the body prepared for the down race this year.

And that's kind of the main goal. There's not really any major project as of now. I think maybe after in July, we're going to look into something, but you know, stay tuned for that. It'll, it'll, it'll be an interesting one. But yeah, other than that, just the contest with the GWA and then wherever Armstrong sends me, I'm there. that's cool. So you get to go in photo shoots, try it, the latest and the greatest and that kind of thing.

Luc Moore (32:48.91)
Yeah, you know, if I get invited, I try to show up. So come on, you got to invite him. Yeah. You know, we got to put a good, put a good word in for me if you, if you see Ari next and yeah. So hopefully there's a few photo shoots in between there and the next TWA event, but yeah, we'll see. Okay. So for getting into downwind foiling, obviously you guys are what a couple, are you a mile or two miles offshore in Hawaii to do that there?

Yeah, you know, I think, yeah, probably a mile and, you know, at the most, it's a little bit less. It's probably a little bit less just for, you know, we have the Malika run here, which is about eight miles from Malika to Colley Harbor. It's a pretty forgiving run. You know, it's, it's, it's really nice and easy to access. So, it's really good training and practice. So,

Yeah, but you're probably a mile, maybe probably half a mile. Okay, so nothing too crazy then. Yeah. Is there anything else you kind of want to touch on or talk about or introduce to people? You know, not that I can think of right now. I'm trying to get down to La Ventana to see these conditions that you've been talking about. I'm kind of excited, but I've heard great things and would love to come out.

Yeah, it's my first time coming down, but normally what we do or what I do is do like a five or six K down winder on the wing and then play there at the beach and then just do like a five or six K up winder afterwards. But overall we're getting shoulder to kind of head high swell. It hasn't been crazy windy this year, but it's supposed to be good today through Wednesday. So we should get some shoulder high kind of stuff.

It's just a beautiful little Mexican kind of desert town. People are amazingly friendly, good food. And, it's, it's, it's a really nice kind of community. Everybody waves, regardless of where you're walking to or what you're doing, everybody waves. It's a little bit similar to Maui. I find in that like Maui is such a friendly Island that I find just, there's a lot more greenery over there. One thing I'm missing over here is grass. It's all sand, which is such a different.

Luc Moore (35:10.382)
It's so different, but it's super fun. So I would recommend anybody to come out and check it out and it's fairly easy to get to. So, but yeah, but considering Maui, I know you had mentioned Kanawha, the harbor, Hokipa. Are there any other spots there that you really love? Yeah, those are kind of the main ones I think between the harbor, Kanawha,

and Ho 'iipa you're pretty set. You know, Shura Cove is an amazing spot. I grew up there. I think we talked about, you know, skimming there in the beginning. And that's, you know, a beautiful beach that has wind every now and then when there's, you know, when the trades are going. And there's Kuao, which is up towards Ho 'iipa as well. So if you launch at Kuao, you can kind of go up to Lanes or Ho 'iipa. So that's a fun spot.

Again, it's just an awesome, it's a rocky beach, but it's pretty beautiful. But between those, I think you're set. The wing is so great because you can do an upwinder. It's eight miles if you want to go the whole North Shore there. But that's not for me. I don't like upwinding. It's tough, man. I'll stick with the downwind. My shoulders aren't ready for the eight mile upwinder. It's tough. Yeah, that's what...

That's what's so great about the wing is you can just go explore and find new spots. And just make sure it stays a bit fun. That's actually one aspect of today that I learned, being more focused mentally in competition. And it kind of goes into the community of winging that it's just focused on more and more fun and these things are just fun to pull off. So make sure to focus on that for everybody out there learning and that kind of thing. Not worry as much about your level. I guess it just comes naturally.

Yeah, I think going into it, it's like anything you gotta go into it with an open mind and realize that you're gonna crash and fail. So you just gotta keep getting back up and keep trying, I guess. So that's what you're gonna teach your dad today then? Yeah, the goal is not to break him. As much as the goal would be to get him on foil, I think it's to have him walking the next day. So that's the main goal, yeah. Okay.

Luc Moore (37:33.006)
Well, hell, I hope you have fun doing that today. And do you have any brothers and sisters, and is the rest of your family in Hawaii, too? Don't. I'm an only child. I'm here with the dad. And the grandparents, so the dad's side lives on Long Island, where dad and ma are from. cool. And the grandparents on my mom's side are in Utah. Utah. That's beautiful there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, it's a nice spot. So every now and then we go and visit and hopefully get some snow. But yeah, right now it's just me and the DAD. Hey, that's awesome. Holding down in Hawaii. that's awesome. And you said you mentioned you want to learn how to skate. No, I used to skate. I'm out of the skating, skating era, you know, I got hurt too many times, too many tears were filled over skating. So yeah.

I try to refrain from any action sports over hard surfs. All right, fair enough. So no mountain biking, none of that. I guess the water is safer. Yeah, I used to bike out a lot actually here. There's some good trails, but yeah, not anymore. Again, too many tears spilled over that. How's your bike and guilt?

They're pretty basic here. There's some really good mountain biking. I'm going to bring one next year if I come back. But, I spend half my year in Vancouver, Allen. So there's some pretty good stuff there, but the same mindset as you, we have not gotten hurt in the water. So we spend a lot more time, wipeouts, winging hurt a lot less than on snow ice or rocky hard ground. If you want to do this sport until you're 90, I just turned what 41. So it's like.

We hit the gym a lot. We try to make sure we eat well, but then also try to minimize silly injuries from it's like a wind to whatever, like a benefits to rewards ratio and winging. Even if it is smaller conditions, I think it's way more, way more enjoyable. So that's what we pretty much spend our time doing that and kiting. My brother's a big kiter, so he loves doing that too. So yeah, cool, buddy. Well, hey, I hope.

Luc Moore (39:51.598)
today goes well. It's super fun teaching family how to get into these sports and I hope your dad has a blast. I'm sure he's it's such mentally draining and physically draining getting into this. So I hope it's fun. Yeah. Well, yeah, it was going to be some some laughs. But yeah, again, the goal is not to break him. He's probably hiding from me right now. He's trying to avoid the what's coming. What what gear are you setting them up on? Yeah. So actually, our phone just came out with.

The step one system so it's it's You know big step one. It's you know right in the name it's ready for Anyone who's beginning and you know learning the sport so it's really big frowning. I think the front wings like a 1550 and then the tail is a 300 the mass and fuse it like it's all alloy, so it's I

price point's a lot lower, it's a lot cheaper, so hopefully more people can get into the sport. And it is definitely, it definitely has a little bit more drag than, you know, the performance mass and stuff like that. But for what it is, it's an amazing beginner setup and yeah, I mean, I haven't tried it. We're going to see if it's a good beginner setup. I'm pretty sure it is from what I've heard, but yeah, the dad's going to try it out and that's kind of our...

our testy, you know, he's never, he's never even tried the foil. So it'll be his first time. sweet. That's gonna be fun. It'll be a good test for the step one system. Okay, let us know. Let us know how it goes. And yeah, I hope that goes well and you have fun today. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for having me. And yeah, is there anything else? Anything else you want to talk about? Nice t shirt, by the way, like I love the Armstrong gear for that. It's pretty cool. Thank you.

Yeah. So you sport that around a little bit this morning. Yeah. Yeah. Comfortable. You know, it shows off your guns when you're at the beach. Yeah. You know, it can work as like the, what's it called? The short guy muscle shirt. Actually, I got something like, how does it feel to get to meet these amazing riders like Bo and everybody else from around the world and build this kind of community that's built? Like, how's that been for you? It's pretty.

Luc Moore (42:17.71)
Amazing, you know, going to the GWA event, you get to see all different riders from around the world. You know, it is a world tour. So, cool just to see so many different cultures in one place. I mean, Maui is full of different people and I've been lucky enough to, you know, be able to grow up, you know, among them and realize that there's a lot of different people out there. And I think the GWA is just another part of that. So, you know, everyone...

really focused on one thing and super stoked to be in the water. So it's cool to be around other people that are just, you know, frothing out on the ocean. You know, even with going on trips with Armstrong, you get all the team and again, they're just stoked to be there and you know, nothing else is going on besides, you know, shooting for the team and, you know, making connections. So it's a really good vibe, you know, when you go travel and see other riders who are kind of doing the same thing.

that's awesome. Yeah. And then build some good friendships that last a long time and like you can go right at their local spots whenever you can. That kind of thing. That'd be pretty sweet actually. Yeah. I mean, I think I met Oscar Johansson a few years ago and he still hasn't invited me over to his house. I don't know what's going on. I think it's because like he's beating him in backgammon. So, you know, I'll let him win one of these days and then you'll get the invite. But yeah, it really is all about connections and.

It's just cool to know people around the world. yeah, for sure. So do you ever put on a big thick wetsuit and get into cold stuff? Are you fortunate enough to stay in the warm? You know, it's not my forte, but if I have to, then you gotta do what you gotta do. I think that my extent of the wetsuit is California. I put like a full suit on one time. That was a big leap, but no hoodies, booties, gloves, not yet. I'm sure time will come and I'll...

I'll be, yeah, not too happy about that. I can barely get the full suit on, you know, the spring suit is, is, is where it ends for you. But yeah, nothing's too cold yet. Yeah. We have like six, five, fours here in, well, whenever I'm in Canada, five mil boots and mitts and hoodies and everything. And, and you know what? I think it's time to go to Hawaii. I think it's time. You know, I, seriously, that's what I'm saying. You get to stay, get out here, you know, you have a place to stay if you ever want to come out.

Luc Moore (44:43.31)
But yeah, I'm just cold thinking about that. Yeah. I mean, I feel like you just can't move. Like how do you like get in it and then you're just kind of... You're kind of like, have you ever seen those Michelin men commercials? Maybe not, cause you're where you're at. But in like Canada, Canada and the US, you got this Michelin kind of tire company and stuff, always pushing these winter tires. You kind of feel like that and you get forearm cramp.

And it's taking it off. You know what? That's the hardest part. It's taking it off. That's what I was going to say. Like, yeah, like two buddies behind you just like rip the thing off or how does it work? Yeah, kind of there's a, yeah, sometimes you got to help zip up or the new suits are pretty awesome. Like I'm running an Excel suit now and it's getting like the front zip, but it's like six mil front zip. So it's like getting that initial first elbow and stuff out and kind of getting it off your shoulder. And then once you're there, you feel less claustrophobic.

But when your hands turn white because you can't feel anything, you got to have like a lot of and then you're like, why am I doing this? There's other places in the world. That's not ideal. You know, not feeling it. I mean, I've seen videos of like guys like they cover themselves in that plane and then they like look into it. It's like not feeling. And I know what happened with you go like two days in a row is your suit wet. There's no chance of getting that thing on.

Yeah, so if you're so it depends what you're doing Yeah, so like when we're in the Great Lakes, we'll go if you're camping you're done like the next day your suit soaked There's nothing you can do other than just put a wet suit back on I don't know if there's anything in life worse than putting a thick cold wet wet suit back on It doesn't seem possible So anyways folks at home listening in I think he's just saying come visit Hawaii come visit Maui. It's one of the most beautiful places on the planet. I

It can be a lot more affordable than we think. Like for people who had never been like it's, it is a bit more like when I went, I was able to do it fairly economically. So flights aren't crazy. And how is the Island actually recovering from the fires and whatnot that happened over in that part? Have you seen a lot of that? Yeah, it's, it's, it's doing all right. the left side did take a hit, but it's, it's slowly coming back. and I think.

Luc Moore (47:08.878)
The title will definitely be back. It won't be the same, but it'll definitely be back and we're rebuilding. But yeah, tourism is back. I don't know if it's in full swing, but it is back. There is a lot of tourists. So, yeah, welcome to come over and, and yeah, swing by. We go for a wing session. Yeah. And come see some turtles and stuff. I remember those turtles at Ho Keeper just.

Phenomenal yeah, yeah, there's a lot of them. You know they tend to get in the way when you're surfing to bills They're a bunch, but you know as long as you don't wear a green wetsuit. I think you're good Have you hit one foiling? I think I have unfortunately Yeah Unfortunately, I have But you know they have a hard shell so as long as you hit on the shell I think they're there you know they're not gonna be happy, but they're

Yeah, usually when you're winging, you can see them and then you kind of go around, but every once in a while you'll kind of be out of it and just... Yeah, I've hit some jellyfish before in Vancouver Island, that's interesting. Because it's just these weird little blue things and stuff, and there's some box ones that are poisonous or whatever. The Man of War ones, I think there's some there. But yeah, luckily.

any whales, shark stuff? Got the full wetsuit on, you're good. Yeah, nevermind, you're fine. There's a lot of wildlife here. Yeah, I think whale season is coming to an end here, or it has already. But yeah, we get a lot of whales. There's sharks, the ocean. But yeah, there's dolphins and stuff. Hey, that's cool. Nice, brother.

Well, hey man, thanks for taking the time on your Sunday to come here and join us and just have a chat and answer a bunch of stuff. It was pretty cool. It was nice to meet you. Of course. Thanks for having me. Yeah, good to meet you. And maybe I'll see you down in Mexico one of these days. I'll let you know if I ever swing by or Ottawa or Vancouver Island. Yeah, either that. But you know what? It's getting cold. We're getting old. And I think it's time to come and visit. Come see some of those waterfalls and do some of those hikes and stuff back in Maui. I think that's...

Luc Moore (49:28.263)
That's what the next step is. So I'm going to go check that out. So I'll let you know if I get out there. You're more than welcome. Shoot me a text here, come out and yeah. Sounds good, buddy. All right, everybody. Thanks for joining us tonight or today or this morning. And we'll chat soon. We'll see you next time.